SANDRACER.COM - 2009 Lingfield Winter Derby

Hopefully we will meet up at the Winter Derby Jon to cheer the winner home and drink a few beers!

 Anonymous @ 9:52 pm, March 15, 2009  

Hi Sandracer,
Just noticed the Winter Derby is scheduled for Saturday.
I've promised myself I'll pay more attention to A/W racing in future, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions...
After a quick look at the declarations, I see Richard Hannon's Scintillo is the top-rated animal on official ratings. Any thoughts at this stage?
As an aside, I'm a lifelong Wrexham fan - been to Loftus Rd on several occasions when we were in old Div Two years ago but we've hit the bad times and will be lucky to make the Blue Square Premiership playoffs :-(

 GeeDee @ 2:07 pm, March 17, 2009  

It's not easy to guess who will actually run Deegee.

Scintillo ran ok behind Re Barollo and Suits me in the trial. Of those that ran then, i'd probably back the 4th placed home that day Kandidate at likely odds. I don't actually think Kandidate has much chance of winning though, so i'd be looking for 33's, and to small stakes.

However, looking forward to a possible surprise winner at decent odds, I am leaning towards Channon's Halicarnassus first time up at Lingfield.

The horse is 1 for 1 on the polytrack, having won a handicap over the distance at Nad Al Shiba.

Just don't tell everyone ;)

 Sandracer @ 6:51 pm, March 17, 2009  

Won't tell a soul.

See Scintillo declared in 8.20 @ Kempton tomorrow.

 GeeDee @ 9:15 pm, March 17, 2009  

You can get 16's or so on Scintillo.

If it jogs up tomorrow, it'll be shorter.

If it runs like a barge, it'll probably not go on saturday.

 Sandracer @ 9:34 pm, March 17, 2009  

Scintilla duly jogged up this evening, and is still available to back at 16/1 for the Winter Derby on saturday.

 Sandracer @ 9:45 pm, March 18, 2009  

Haven't had a bet; Scintillo now quoted 10/1. Looking at the final twelve this morning, your proposition of Halicarnassus makes more appeal - top-rated horse and a bigger price (14/1). See he's drawn twelve of twelve - a disadvantage?

 GeeDee @ 11:41 am, March 19, 2009  

Some would argue yes racing position-wise. I'd argue 1m2 at Lingfield is winnable from an outside draw, if the horse is good enough.

It might help push the price out though, which would be to my liking.

 Sandracer @ 3:06 pm, March 19, 2009  

I buy into your view on Halicarnassus - he's the top-rated horse and looks a value play - but I'm going to take out the each-way insurance ;-)

 GeeDee @ 9:18 pm, March 20, 2009  

Sportingbet.com Winter Derby (group 3), 4yo plus, 1m 2f, Class 1

Shortlisted: Premio Loco, Re Barolo, Without A Prayer, Bronze Cannon, Suits Me, Scintillo,

I’m not convinced by the recent runs of Re Barolo, Suits Me and Scintillo. A five runner race, uncontested lead for Suits Me ending in a blanket finish at the line, they all can’t be that good and they all face different race conditions today..

It always takes a few months for the Godolphin horses to acclimatise when they return from Dubai. Without A Prayer is opposed for this reason (been running in the Dubai Carnival)

With doubts about the favorite Premio Loco staying the distance, Bronze Cannon is unexposed and had to contend with interrupted runs in his last two races when making his final challenge. 3rd time lucky?

Bronze Cannon @ 6/1 or better

 Anonymous @ 1:02 am, March 21, 2009  

My other selections can be found on the blog @ www.slipperytoad.co.uk

Dont forget to look out for me on the TV tomorrow.. I'll be easy to spot ... ... I'm the one wearing a barrel and braces when I've done my nuts!

 Anonymous @ 1:14 am, March 21, 2009  

I can't argue with your write up Slipper, apart from spelling favourite "favorite".

The horse I like the least is the one most likely to dot up, ie the jolly. I can't be having 2/1 about guessing whether the extra distance is suitable.

Of those others you mentioned that ran in the trial, i'd rather take Kandidate at big odds, who came 4th that day.

Geedee's curiosity about Scintilla is interesting. Before it nigh on halved in price before winning midweek.

note to any readers: Slippery Toad is off to Lingfield and will be updating things when he can.

If you can take a few pictures to put in the bloggers library of legal to use all-weather racing photos Slipper, i'd be much obliged.

I forgot to mention it to Geedee when he was off to Cheltenham last week.

 Sandracer @ 9:07 am, March 21, 2009  

was burning the midnight oil last night hence the poor grammar. Through the wonders of modern technology i'll post live updates market movers and rumours from the course via my mobile phone. Have ere in doors camera with me so plenty of pictures for the blog too.

 Anonymous @ 9:27 am, March 21, 2009  

Halicarnassus is 25/1 s.p, 33/1 @ Betfair.

Uber.

 Sandracer @ 2:59 pm, March 21, 2009  

Lingfield Results
Placepot: £18.20 Pool:£100,784.03 4,026.37 winning tickets Quadpot: £3.90 Pool:£5,020.97 941.56 winning tickets


LINGFIELD 5:25 Full Results >>
1st 8 Legislate 3/1 Winning jockey M Hills
Trainer
Owner Mr K Abdulla

2nd 4 Jesse James (IRE) 8/15 Fav
3rd 10 Princability (IRE) 15/2
9 Ran
NR: Mujma

TOTE: Win:£4.50 Place:£1.30,£1.10,£2.30 Exacta:£6.90 Trifecta:£35.20 Swingers:1&2:£1.30, 2&3:£1.80, 1&3:£3.50
CSF: £5.64



LINGFIELD 4:50 Full Results >>
1st 3 Abbondanza (IRE) 13/2 Winning jockey T Eaves
Trainer I Semple
Owner Belstane Park Racing & Gordon Leckie

2nd 11 Red Somerset (USA) 16/1
3rd 7 Al Muheer (IRE) 10/1
13 Ran
NR: Orpsie Boy (IRE)

TOTE: Win:£6.20 Place:£3.10,£5.90,£2.80 Exacta:£156.50 Swingers:1&2:£24.50, 2&3:£32.60, 1&3:£13.20
CSF: £114.02 TRICAST: £1061.95
Favourite: Aeroplane 4/1


LINGFIELD 4:15 Full Results >>
1st 1 Sgt Schultz (IRE) 13/2 Winning jockey L Keniry
Trainer J S Moore
Owner Mr Jim Barnes

2nd 6 Distinctive Image (USA) 3/1 Fav
3rd 2 Formation (USA) 7/2
8 Ran
TOTE: Win:£8.10 Place:£2.00,£1.60,£1.60 Exacta:£38.10 Trifecta:£100.40 Swingers:1&2:£4.30, 2&3:£2.40, 1&3:£6.00
CSF: £26.75 TRICAST: £79.95



LINGFIELD 3:40 Full Results >>
1st 2 Debussy (IRE) 11/8 Fav Winning jockey R L Moore
Trainer J H M Gosden
Owner H R H Princess Haya of Jordan

2nd 7 Light Dubai (IRE) 4/1
3rd 4 Hypnotist (UAE) 10/3
8 Ran
TOTE: Win:£2.40 Place:£1.10,£1.80,£1.60 Exacta:£8.60 Trifecta:£18.80 Swingers:1&2:£2.30, 2&3:£3.80, 1&3:£2.10
CSF: £7.73



LINGFIELD 3:05 Full Results >>
1st 9 Scintillo 8/1 Winning jockey R Hughes
Trainer R Hannon
Owner White Beech Farm

2nd 7 Premio Loco (USA) 2/1 Fav
3rd 1 Bronze Cannon (USA) 9/2
12 Ran
TOTE: Win:£10.30 Place:£3.20,£1.50,£1.80 Exacta:£36.70 Trifecta:£244.80 Swingers:1&2:£6.20, 2&3:£3.70, 1&3:£10.30
CSF: £25.13



LINGFIELD 2:35 Full Results >>
1st 10 Nashmiah (IRE) 7/1 Winning jockey J P Spencer
Trainer C E Brittain
Owner Mr Saeed Manana

2nd 1 Elnawin 5/2 Fav
3rd 14 Smokey Ryder 20/1
14 Ran
TOTE: Win:£6.90 Place:£2.40,£1.60,£8.00 Exacta:£29.30 Trifecta:£486.40 Swingers:1&2:£3.80, 2&3:£21.10, 1&3:£44.10
CSF: £24.34



LINGFIELD 2:05 Full Results >>
1st 5 Arganil (USA) 7/2 Winning jockey N Callan
Trainer K A Ryan
Owner The Big Moment

2nd 6 Judd Street 7/1
3rd 7 Judge 'n Jury 17/2
10 Ran
TOTE: Win:£4.40 Place:£1.80,£2.20,£2.50 Exacta:£32.20 Trifecta:£115.50 Swingers:1&2:£4.20, 2&3:£9.10, 1&3:£4.80
CSF: £29.75
Favourite: Matsunosuke 9/4


LINGFIELD 1:35 Full Results >>
1st 4 Fremen (USA) 7/1 Winning jockey N Lawes
Trainer D Nicholls
Owner Miss C King Mrs A Seed Ms Finola Devan

2nd 6 New Star (UAE) 7/1
3rd 5 El Dececy (USA) 8/1
10 Ran
TOTE: Win:£8.50 Place:£2.50,£1.80,£2.70 Exacta:£30.20 Trifecta:£131.40 Swingers:1&2:£3.10, 2&3:£5.50, 1&3:£6.90
CSF: £57.73 TRICAST: £417.57
Favourite: Padlocked (IRE) 11/4

 Sandracer @ 8:52 pm, March 21, 2009  

How They Ran In The Winter Derby

15:05 sportingbet.com Winter Derby (Group 3) 12 ran.

key:Place/Distance/No./Horse/Weight/Jockey/S.P.

1st 9 Scintillo 9 0 R Hughes 8/1
in touch, ridden 2f out, led inside final furlong, soon joined, held on gamely

2nd Nose 7 Premio Loco 9 0 G Baker 2/1 F
mounted on track, held up in touch, switched right 2f out, headway approaching final furlong, ridden to challenge winner when hung left inside final furlong, not quicken near finish

3rd 1 3/4 length 1 Bronze Cannon 9 0 Mr R L Moore 9/2
mid-division, ridden over 2f out, stayed on to go 3rd well inside final furlong, ran on

4th 2 lengths 3 Halicarnassus 9 0 A Culhane 20/1
raced wide, held up in touch, improved to 4th 4f out, ridden 2f out, stayed on same pace

5th Short Head 11 Without A Prayer 9 0 Jim Crowley 10/1
keen, held up towards rear, ridden over 2f out, stayed on final furlong, not reach leaders

6th 3 1/4 lengths 8 Re Barolo 9 0 J F Egan 6/1
slowly into stride, held up, ridden over 2f out, kept on final furlong, not pace to challenge

7th Nose 2 Docofthebay 9 0 C Catlin 25/1
slowly away, pulled hard in rear, ridden over 2f out, never near leaders

8th Neck 6 Mahadee 9 0 J P Spencer 14/1
tracked leader, ridden, every chance when hung left 1f out, soon weakened

9th 1/2 length 12 Baylini 8 11 J Doyle 66/1
always in rear

10th Nose 5 Kandidate 9 0 N Callan 12/1
soon led, steadied pace after 2f, ridden, jumped shadow over 1f out, headed just inside final furlong, soon weakened

11th 3/4 length 10 Suits Me 9 0 M Fenton 13/2
close up, ridden 2f out, effort when not much room inside final furlong, not a danger after

12th 9 lengths 4 Internationaldebut 9 0 A Kirby 50/1
keen, always in rear

 Sandracer @ 8:54 pm, March 21, 2009  

Didn't take any pix at Cheltenham this year (may have some from previous years); also daughter may have some from Stratford yesterday - let me know the procedure if you think they may be of interest.

 GeeDee @ 9:43 am, March 22, 2009